The chain became an Ultegra and then the chain and cassette did. (*By Kraftwerk, if there’s any justice in the world). Par ailleurs, le groupe Shimano 105 a connu une grande mise à jour en 2018. Then another 10 years pass by and it’s time again, the right shifter wasn’t shifting that smooth anymore. Le groupe Shimano 105 5800 11 vitesses sera donc disponible à partir du mois de juin (en noir ou slver). If you want to become a Shimano knowledge-sensai, you need to be aware that there is a number that corresponds to each named groupset (okay, need is a strong word). I’ve had a go at summarising the supposed recommended prices for the various current (R8000/R7000) Ultegra and 105 options in this table. The shifting is so precise you don’t need Di2 and that was a bonus. This should not be the case. Right now I ride about 20-30 miles 2-3 days a week. These are links to online stores such as Amazon, Wiggle and Chain Reaction. The better you are and the more you ride the more you would appreciate the upgraded bike. But, by then it was 11 speed all around and the rear fork distance has move out a couple of millimeters. In summary, both of them weigh about 2.5kg. I had to have the front retuned about 750 miles ago. As we spend more time on the bike and rack up the miles, it makes sense to upgrade assuming your bike fit is dialed in. This adjustment allows for more spring tension on the rear brake and a smoother brake. Thanks Andrew. Well, perhaps a little bit wiser. Currently I am riding a 20 year old mountain bike on paved trails. Chain only showed very little change, but the new chain and cassette had a very noticeable improvement. Shimano 105 R7000 groupset — everything you need to know. Les nouvelles Ultegra reprennent la conception des Dura-Ace, avec un axe en acier et un corps en composite, agrémentés d’une surface d’appui plus large que la version précédente ou que les pédales Shimano d’entrée et de milieu de gamme, afin d’optimiser la stabilité et l’efficacité de pédalage. And then the next generation of Dura-Ace and Ultegra came out (i.e. The extra spread is useful as I have an 11-32 rear cassette with a compact 50-34 chainset Devon hills are not very forgiving. Assuming all you have are wear and maintenance issues I would upgrade the chain and cassette to Ultegra and keep the derailleur. And like a cyclist in a pan of gradually heating water, you don’t really notice each incremental improvement. The perception of ‘better’ is is always what fuels sales of higher end products. Il n'a donc plus grand-chose à leur envier, si ce n'est la cassette 11 vitesses, puisque ce Tiagra reste en 10 vitesses… Hello! Might upgrade though to S105 11s now if the price delta is acceptable. I have tried this myself and can vouch for it. The spring tension adjust on the other hand yields an advantage with internally routed frames where rear brake “drag” is noticeable. What model Ultegra can I upgrade to as parts begin to fail? $990.73 - $1,311.11. Le budget n'étant semble t'il pas une question pour toi alors oui fais toi plaisir avec un Ultégra . Other features (frame, wheelset) can move the price point of the whole range, independent of groupset. Ultegra derailleurs will yield better shifting and ultimately will last longer. Presently my bike has a 40 cog with a compact 50-34 crank. La différence de prix entre 105 et Ultegra est de l'ordre de presque 1 euro par gramme entre les 2 mêmes groupes 10V mécanique. If your this has been happening since new possibly the chain is too long or the B screw needs adjustment. Jack thank you so much for you advise, I do greatly appreciate it. well I’ve had 5800 shifters apart next to 6800 shifters, I mean totally apart like they’re not supposed to. If not then they are likely ok and I wouldn’t change them. Well, have a squiz at the full groupset images above. Ooh, I seem to be first. Hear about each post as soon as I publish. A 12-28 would have been far more practical and although I don’t think I “need” the 28, I do live in a very hilly area and would have embraced the spin if I had that smaller gear. These are links to online stores such as Amazon, Wiggle and Chain Reaction. Most full groupsets are bought in conjunction with a new bike. Can anyone comment on how the 2 compare? The 105’s tend to be less consistent when shifting. Which I suppose makes sense since one is two years old (but is new). I started Sportive Cyclist in 2013 to record my journey to RideLondon 100, my first 100-mile bike ride. Buying from a Local Bike Shop has a value because you’ll be given preferential treatment over someone off the street when you go in for subsequent work. It came with 105. I have been searching for awhile and my head is spinning. On the inside, Ultegra’s lighter, harder internals and higher quality bushings and springs account for lighter shift action and better brake modulation. You finally succumb to the rule of n+1 and you start looking for your first ‘proper’ road bike. It’s considered a “new road” bike, both the 105 and Ultegra versions have hydraulic disc brakes (yay) the one in 105 comes in a puke green, while the Ultegra comes in a muted grey. It’s one extra. For both, you will need to add a freehub to ensure that … Some misc thoughts: Titanium frames are essentially permanent; ie, there is actually zero measurable loss of resilience over time, especially from the miniscule stresses a bike frame feels, compared to radical loads of say an airplane. If the upgraded bike has upgraded wheels that is a big value. Today I found a 2017 Trek Silque 5 (I am female) for $2000 but love the color and the frame seems more comfortable. The up shifts are stiff and quick. Of the the articles on the web, this one answered my question best about whether or not I’d made a mistake by purchasing a new Cannondale Synapse with 105 after 24 years of riding two bikes that had, in succession, a 1993 model bike with Shimano 600 (which I believe became Ultegra the next year) and just plain Ultra on my 2004 model bike. I doubt I can tell the difference as I’ve only been riding recreationally (75-100 miles weekly) for 2 years. the 2015 Cannondale) is today’s 105 (the 2017 Trek). If that’s you, then you’ll be more interested in the price point of the full bike, which I’ve discussed above. Derailleurs undergo a ton of force, loads and movement. An Ultegra lever will shift and brake better and will typically last longer than a 105 lever. you could be deluding yourself because you spent all that extra money and would feel a fool if there was no functional difference. In the meantime I’ll go back to my heavy, but rugged Diverge that is probably 6 pounds heavier than most of your bikes, and still runs well on Sora . Regardless of where you are from (Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Vermont, Australia, Macau...) a Fit Werx' bike fit is guaranteed to be worth the trip. Unhelpfully, Shimano released products for, say, 2018, in mid-2017, so there might be the odd inaccuracy. Check out our comparison of Shimano 105 v Shimano Ultegra. me back, ive got sneaking suspicion the the only difference in the tiagra 4700 mechanism is 10 teeth on the ratchet instead of 11. as far as my eyes can reach looking in a shop display I cant see any difference in the exposed parts of the mechanism. If it is, I like the look of the Trek more but keep wanting the Cannondale because it has more expensive components and wheelset! He started Sportive Cyclist in 2013 to record the journey to his first 100 mile ride, the RideLondon 100. Learn how your comment data is processed. Keep the road Ti, forever. And so the world turns. My other wheelsets use proper cartridge bearings all round and never need adjustment, so for my next project (another titanium frame) I will buy up a new just taken off a bike 105 groupset and try and find some good used wheels. No, it will. Shimano Ultegra R8000 Groupsets And Build Kits. Starting with a 105 group is a good idea. 105 (la référence. Aluminum would have snapped long ago, with any flexing at all. The same trend is appearing in hydraulic disc brakes and changes to the electronic shifting (current model Shimano hydraulic disc brakes are not attached to any groupset, the first groupset to get its own disc brakes will be Dura-Ace). I agree, when you are ready, or when your bike is ready, make the leap to ultegra. And yes, Dura-Ace Di2 is R9150 (it doesn’t take an Enigma machine to work out the pattern – although the fact that the prior generation used ’70’ to denote Di2 means perhaps you do need some codebreaking nouse). 11s is the new norm and you will be able to easily get parts further into the future than 10s. Since I know you were all particularly taken by the concept of each groupset have a name and a number, Ultegra Di2 is also known by its East German spy code of R8050. Just a quick note about brakes: I read recently that while Ultegra were the highest rated rim brakes, 105 use the same mechanical action and should perform the same (I can’t compare as my winter bike has discs). And I am not a purist. As road bike component, the stress-free operation is one of the most important feature to lead all day riding comfort with braking and shifting. I would guess you’ll be able to find 10s parts for many years to come. One of the biggest improvements with the Ultegra group lies within the crankset. Whether that’s important, one must judge for oneself. I have an aluminum Specialized and now upgrading to carbon. That said, i will report back when I get some conclusive impressions. I went with carbon wheels, carbon frame, 105 gearset. If they both seem about the same goes with the smaller size. I too have a Domane 4.3 but 2014 model. If you click and buy something, I get a commission, at no extra cost to you. Ce type de groupe réduit permet de con… And the price. Not all these mods are available with 11s yet. My two cents worth. I suspect the difference will be smaller when comparing to 5800. Yup you’re exactly right but I there’s one thing to keep in mind with “keeping a frame forever”. Seems the cost for the Ultegra set is within 20% of getting 105s. One test I use is to go small/small on the gears – if the chain becomes noticeably slack the chain is too long. I’ve only tried a couple of rides with them and find they accelerate quicker than the DAs but climbing is about the same. You pay the same price that you would have done anyway. This assumes that you are able to go big/big with the shortened chain. (Fun fact, Shimano put index shifting first in entry level models pre-1984, it was an abysmal failure until they put it in their top of the line Dura-Ace). If Dura-Ace is the top of Shimano’s range of groupsets for road bikes (don’t worry, it is), Ultegra occupies second place in the list; 105 is third. Purists might point to a little more finesse in the Ultegra front and rear derailleur, but there’s not much in it. Ensuite les 3 composants spécifiques Ultegra di2 (ST, FD, RD) sont à 500 euros et 1050 euros pour le Dura Ace di2. You gaze adoringly at your clean-shiftin’ 105 drivetrain for a couple of years… and then start to wonder, “Would I be faster-stronger-sexier if I had Ultegra on my bike?”. LJ, yes, still here by default I think. The rear is a different story. Whether a bike has disc or rim brakes affects price quite considerably. Similarly, electronic shifting (Di2) first appears in 2009 (7970), then two years later in Ultegra (6770, but with 10 speed only), and still has yet to appear in the 105 (presumably with the 5870 or 5970). I’m no Froome-dog and I’ve only returned to cycling reasonably seriously in the last 3 years but my experience is that there’s little between them (unless, of course you want the electronic do-dah). The key thing is to enjoy what your bike and to make it comfortable for you. Well, Shimano’s lowest cost range is called Claris. It looks like because of the way this is written / appearance on Google that a lot of newer cyclists are taking “yesterdays Ultegra is today’s 105” literally. Thanks Jack for your comments, I appreciate it! The front derailleur, shifter, crank, shifting force, noise, etc., are indistinguishable (unless you took them off and put them on a scale). The earlier SPD-SL (three-bolt style) pedals had flat plastic plates that can be replaced for like .99, but of course Ultegra were slightly different shape from the Dura-ace, so you needed to clip a corner off first-trivial. Fiable, réactif et économique. Side by side, the Ultegra materials look more premium. In other words, when a 105 component wears out on your bike, should you take opportunity to upgrade to Ultegra? Shimano 105 ou ultegra - forum cyclisme velo101. This brings the entry price point for a bike with the 105 groupset down considerably. For the time being, only Ultegra and it’s pro-sibling Dura-Ace have electronic rather than mechanical gear shifts. Or nicer road bike. I just did this on my Domane – new cables, cassette, chain, brake pads and chain rings – recorded in this series of YouTube videos – and the improvement has been amazing. (Which I reckon is a song lyric waiting to be put to music*). I am very happy to be corrected, but from my understanding of Shimano, and what I have seen posted here, this year’s Ultegra are next year’s 105 – so the 2017 105 should equal (or exceed?) Have you ever dropped the bike and possibly bent the derailleur or hanger? For Tri bikes with aerobar extensions, both groups will use 10-speed Dura Ace bar end shifters and an aftermarket TT brake lever. Apparu en juin 2015, le Shimano Tiagra (séries 47000) adopte le même style esthétique que le 105, l'Ultegra ou le Dura-Ace, grâce à l'arrivée d'un pédalier à quatre branches. Elle est la déclinaison abordable du groupe DURA-ACE. groupsets. Both are very quick checks. I had a Cannondale 2.8 from the mid 90’s. I avoid riding in the rain so the added braking power is not something I look for, but you may consider. My advice would be to focus on the frame and get as much 105 on there or better at the start, though I believe RS500 cranks are comparable to 105. The Zipps are 2 oz heavier than the DAs. Thank you for your reply. Updated with actual weights, deals, price, specs table, and more That means a down-sizing of the whole hood, making it … The 40 cog is aftermarket, and I took out the 11 cog to make it work. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Suite à la première partie de notre dossier sur les groupes route et triathlon, voici les détails des poids et prix publics conseillés pour les pièces ou groupes complets de ce millésime 2019/2020. ), the actual prices you’ll need to pay are substantially lower if you decide to build up a bike from scratch. Le groupe Shimano 105 se retrouve souvent sur les vélos de route de classe moyenne. Then you start looking into gears a bit more. If you click on an Affiliate Link and then buy something, I get a small commission. 105 stayed firmly mechanical. My blog contains Affiliate Links. The newest 105 is very slick and, I suspect, the best value of all Shimano groupsets for serious cyclists. For what it’s worth, if you’re looking for a noticeable improvement in shifting quality, a full overhaul at your current groupset (be that 105 or whatever) will give you the best bang for your buck. There is 1 quick and simple answer to that, and that is that Shimano 105 is a 11-speed groupset and Toagra is a 10-speed groupset. It’s definitely my favorite groupset I’ve ever owned, and I’ve had a lot. The bike at $1750.00 will have tax added to that price. I think the best non-wear upgrade is wheels. Have you tried both? For Road bikes with STI shift/brake levers, there will be differences between the two groups. Many are going to disk brakes. I also have a cross bike with 105 5800, so I can give an honest comparison. (Harry Enfield I’m considerably richer than you). Ah, the million dollar £500 (or $700) question. But the thing is, that all occurred in the previous generation of these two groupsets. When I knackered the front derailleur, I replaced it with the equivalent Ultegra version (10-speed 6700). Yo! Given I’m more Nosferatu than Nostradamus, this probably means that 105 Di2 is going to be announced tomorrow. New bike it was. The cassette started as a Deore XT 11-36. Shimano didn’t come out with a ‘105 Di2 5870’. I am much inclined to go with the current 105 10s configuration and leave more expensive upgrades for later. Also, according to Shimano’s website Ultegra’s wider crankset design permits frame manufacturers to build wider bottom brackets—the part between the pedals inside the frame—and thu… superficial difference in the lever tops which I would guess is to stop you from putting Ultegra nameplates on 105 levers. There comes a time in every road cyclist’s life when it becomes clear* that the quickest way to progress to professional standards of performance is to splash more cash on a random bike component. I imagine there is some sophisticated reason why these numbers are there (like, I don’t know, maybe to identify all the individual components within a given set). I didn’t love it, but did like the price and the components. Also, as before, I’ve just converted the GBP prices to USD. like a silly hump for your thumbs to get annoyed by. See, I told you it wasn’t clear but. The front caliper is nearly hosed, so looking to upgrade, and for $90 shipped I can have Ultegra 8600 calipers. That is how I started. I’m a little late getting in on this, but I just got a bike with Ultegra 6800, and wanted to chime in. Unless your derailleur is bent I wouldn’t change it. I ride about 80-150 miles a week June – October and hope to do some century rides. But also, friend, it doesn’t matter. These real differences matter because many parts need to change/are incompatible between these lines (for instance from 10-11 speed, you need a thinner chain, new cassette, new rear derailleur, freehub body, and brake/shifter levers, though the crank/chainrings are compatible though Shimano will tell you otherwise). They update every few years so I just replace them when new sets come out. Cela comprend, pour un groupe de transmission complet : les dérailleurs avant et arrière, les étriers de frein avant et arrière, le pédalier, la cassette, les leviers de freins, le boîtier de pédalier et la chaîne. All from a MAMIL perspective. Speaking to a few data points in the ‘endurance bike’ category (all of which are carbon frames): (For the USD prices, I just converted the UK prices at $1.29:£1 to give an indication. Ultegra offers better brake pads, better component quality. I’m not a pro rider and I just use my bike for city riding. Even Shimano makes the distinction, with this little grey line on its website: In truth, what tends to happen is that you get your first road bike and it comes with whatever it comes with (in my case it was a ragtag set of Campagnolo and Miche components). Once your chain is at .75% wear replace it. Fatigue would show as a ‘set’ as a permanent sag, simply not there at all. If one is more comfortable than the other go with that size. I can say, though, that the Ultegra brakes are amazing. Crankset / chainset – the bit the pedals attach to – chain rings, cranks – that sort of thing; Derailleurs – the bits that move the chain between the different chainrings (at the front) and the various cogs of the cassette (at the back); Shifters – attached to the handlebars – the bit you manipulate with your hands; Cassette – the bit in the middle of your back wheel – lots of teeth; The Giant Defy Advanced 2020 model costs £1,949 ($2,514) with Shimano 105 and £2,199 ($2,837) with Ultegra (£250 difference for the hard of mathing); Canyon’s Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 with Shimano 105 is £2,099 ($2,708) and the Ultegra-equipped Endurace CF SL Disc 8.0 is £2,699 ($3,482). I suggest you go to a different bike shop, tell them you are just shopping but not ready to buy and you want to try size 54 and 52 bikes to see which is more comfortable. The only gain I can see from upgrading needlessly (ie you haven’t knackered something in your existing set-up) is that Ultegra seems to have a certain cache that is lacking from the ‘lesser'(?) This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Also braking performance and feel, which of course is really important over the long haul. All Rights Reserved. En tant qu'élément pour les vélos de route, un fonctionnement sans contraintes est l'une des propriétés les plus importantes pour allier freinage, changement de vitesse et pilotage confortable pendant toute la journée. My guess is that your chain is too long, and/or you have a bent hanger or derailleur. Ultegra components are lighter than 105 components, making climbing easier. It’s most helpful in working out which generation of a given groupset you have/you’re buying. Hope this helps and is only my opinion. My blog contains Affiliate Links. If your bike shop doesn’t find anything wrong, try having them shorten the chain by one pair of links. Over time the blog has expanded to include training advice, gear reviews and road cycling tales, all from the perspective of a not-very-fit MAMIL. Given that, thinking that I would need to replace the cassette, I thought I might upgrade to the Ultegra, along with the derailleur and chain. You should check that the rear wheel can be used with both 10s and 11s – this will only come into play if you decide to change later from 10s to 11s. L'ultégra n'a vraiment pas grand chose de plus qu'un 105 si ce n'est "l'effet" gamme supérieure . The question though is which groupset should you pick, should you pick Shimano 105 or Ultegra? This was all quite straightforward (okay somewhat straightforward), until Shimano started adding an ‘R’ at the beginning of some of them, and I got a bit befuddled. If you like to show off with your Ultegra with its shinier finish fine. I did read that about the span being more than an actual year. I’ve done this myself, with my 10-speed 105 5700 groupset. If you have to go 105 for the cost, you won’t be disappointed, but it is definitely worth it to think about upgrading the rear derailleur and possibly the levers. Then as things start to wear out upgrade. So true about what you wrote, seems the Ultegra make a difference for racing and for “looks” to be in the elite crowd. In the big picture, the Ultegra group is 220 grams lighter (which is a little more than ½ a pound) and costs $300 more than the 105 group. Anyways parts are readily available now for the 10s option. For me I bought 105 sets because of the price point.. I assume both bikes are the same size and you are sure the size is correct for you; this is even more important than group. Désormais, vous pouvez aussi opter pour des freins à disque hydrauliques. My last bike had a Dura Ace 10-speed groupset, and the Ultegra brakes are better than those. (okay, I couldn’t be bothered to Google what it stands for). I rode a tri bike with mech ultegra for 2010-2014 then upgraded to di2 on the new tri bike in 2015. The origin story of the term Di2 is shrouded in mystery…. Clearly if you want electronic shifting, then Ultegra is, for now, your only option. Its time to cut the crap. When you are due for chain and cassette replacement switch to ultegra. Rather than you changing gear physically by pulling on (or releasing) a cable, electronic shifting uses little motors attached to the front and rear derailleurs in order to make the changes. If you click on an Affiliate Link and then buy something, I get a small commission. Want to know whether you should upgrade from 105 to Ultegra but can’t be bothered with all these pesky words? A part 400 euros, il y a t'il une grosse différence entre shimano 105 R7000 et ultegra R8000 les 2 groupes pour un amateur comme moi. As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. The higher quality the internals, the more precise and longer lasting the mechanism. Healthy disclaimer though – the prices seem a bit all over the place. If the online bike seller accepts returns if their description is incorrect and pays return shipping then that is a value in their favor. Way more noticeable than when I upgraded the front derailleur from 105 to Ultegra (I’ve now gone back to 105-only on the Domane). Pay a couple of hundred quid more and you’d be into Ultegra territory. Also the cables stretch. As things wear, replace them with a higher grade chain and cassette. Both bikes are new and and both had 22 gears. Ultegra Di2 et Ultegra normal (le petit frère des Dura-ace, en un peu plus lourd et moins cher.L’équivalent des Force chez SRAM. A post by Monty from a year or two talked about a custom bike fitting service and that really struck me: for $30-400 you are measured with lasers to ensure the perfect bike fit. Le pédalier Shimano FC-5800 délaisse l’architecture à cinq branches pour celle à quatre branches héritées des groupes Ultegra et Dura-Ace, plus légère et plus rigide. Well, when Di2 first came out, initially for Dura-Ace then followed by Ultegra, it seemed a reasonable bet to say that 105 would be next in line for electrification. I am not certain if I should spend the money now for the upgraded bike. Which is a mangled sub-heading if ever there was one. the current ones), again with Di2 options. The question is whether the difference is worth the money. Has this been happening since new or is it a recent development? The upgrade from 105 to Ultegra is incremental from component to component and much can be done as parts wear because parts are interchangeable. Do the two extra gears on the 5800 make a lot of difference compared to the 5700.? Most of the change allows closer gearing in the middle of the cassette. I’ve shown this photo before, but include it again for reasons of laziness. Assuming you’re working across compatible families, this is certainly possible. I do think the Ultegra runs slightly quieter and shifts slightly more smoothly, but both seem equally durable (2500 miles on each). Shimano brought out a new version of its 105 groupset in 2018, but how does it compare to the top of the range Dura-Ace? Then Sora. Consider Ultegra as parts wear out, bearing in mind there is little reason to change brakes and shifters due to wear so it’s worth ensuring they are what you want at the start. I can’t help thinking the rest of the poopset is along similar lines. As you might have picked up, my trusty Trek is adorned with 105 (5700). Monty is an enthusiastic road cyclist with only moderate talent. But it will be interesting to compare the two. IMHO 105 vs Ultegra should not play a determining factor in your decision. Where to buy Shimano 105 and Ultegra components:http://tidd.ly/bb708aebhttp://amzn.to/2EuZZgjLet's talk about these components: https://goo.gl/aLujxw Shimano 105 and Ultegra are 2 of the most often picked groupsets by road cyclists. Cosmetically, Ultegra boasts a carbon shift/brake blade while the 105 sports an aluminum blade. Overall, I would say the Ultegra are comparable to the 10-speed Dura Ace, if not even slightly better (especially braking). The new Shimano Ultegra groupsets look almost identical to Shimano Dura-Ace, but there are some subtle differences – here's what you need to … And then the next generation of Dura-Ace and Ultegra came out (i.e. You are not riding great distances yet, and you don’t want a poorly fitted bike to destroy your riding enjoyment. With brakes, we notice some nice improvements with the Ultegra: a robust redesigned barrel adjuster; a spring tension adjustment absent on a 105 caliper; and a better brake pad compound. Shimano Ultegra is a bit more refined that Shimano 105, with lighter materials in some areas and details like more durable coatings on some parts Nevertheless, the weight difference is surprisingly small, less than 200g for a typical ensemble; most of the difference is in the brake/shift levers and chainset